I place my conviction upon this position because of my study of Scripture; but I do not claim that if someone is as studious as I am, that he will arrive at the same position.
I often update the language on these, too, doing my best not to affect even possible meanings. This inability to perish is a result of the Lord Jesus giving them eternal life. Those who declare that they are eternally secure and then go out and sin on purpose in any manner they so choose are probably not saved to begin with since this is contradictory to what Scripture teaches.
The point of the thread was rather or not it was taught by early church fathers, and so far i have came up with No proof whatsoever that they did. . I hope this invitation to our forum to talk about this is not in violation of your rules, and that it is not offensive to you. But is this a fair representation of the conditional salvation position? You will not find it in Patristic writings insofar as I am aware and insofar as Orthodoxy teaches and has always taught. 40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.". ( Log Out / Furthermore, Jesus says that no one shall snatch them out of his hand, which further emphasizes the idea that those who have eternal life will never perish. As I have dealt with Calvinists and Calvinism over the past 7-8 years, they always seem to want to present their soteriology (doctrine of salvation) as “The Historical Christian Faith”. The context is as follows. Eternal security is the position that a redeemed Christian is eternally secure in Christ and will not lose his salvation. No, we can't because the term "no one" includes the person who is saved. CF Staff, Angels and Ambassadors; ask that you join us in praying for the world in this difficult time, asking our Holy Father to stop the spread of the virus, and for healing of all affected. “Perseverance” of the Saints is more rightly called “Preservation of the Saints” or “Unconditional Eternal Security”, since God “preserves them” and since there is nothing they can do to “lose their salvation”. Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. Another concern I have is that the extremists on both sides point fingers at each other and accuse the other side of the worst heresy possible. To predestine means that God has foreordained, chosen to bring about, what he has decided to accomplish. The only group of people who believed such doctrines during this period of time, were the Gnostics, who were heretics.
I have heard eternal security labeled as a doctrine of demons, straight from the pit of hell, and a purposeful excuse to abide in sin. If so, would that not mean that God, who has foreordained whatsoever shall come to pass (predestined), has ordained that he lose some of those whom he has called from eternity--just so he can lose them? Again, if all who belong to the Son might perish, then likewise all who believe on the Son might not be saved; that is, they might not possess eternal life if they believe in Christ!
But I do not see how it is possible, especially in light of John 6:37-40 above which teaches you can't lose your salvation. It cannot be that we "may" have eternal life (be saved) if we believe because believing is what justifies us (Rom. There are opponents to this position that would state elsewhere in Scripture such declarations exist that teach we can lose our salvation.
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The patristic sources who deny eternal security in some way widely differ with each other in how they do it. ", “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
", "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us. In other words, it is the will of the Father that none be lost; but since his will is not always accomplished, there will be people who were saved but then became lost. Predestination is another controversial topic within the Christian church.
In other words, I am referring to the Church leaders who wrote extensively, prior to the Council of Nicea (325 A.D.). There have been some changes in the Life Stages section involving the following forums: Roaring 20s, Terrific Thirties, Fabulous Forties, and Golden Eagles.
Keep on keeping on! Your voice is missing! “All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. If verse 39 can be interpreted to say that the will of the Father can fail and some perish, then verse 40 must likewise be interpreted to say that the will of the Father fails in that those who believe on Jesus won't be saved and don't have eternal life.
Unfortunately, the teaching of eternal security is sometimes a source of problems within Christian circles. “All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. Also, if you would like to watch a video on this same topic, you can do so here: Bless you and thank you.
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So, is eternal life something we may have when we believe or actually have when we believe? Christian Congregations (Christians Only), God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book, To fall from grace means to lose the atonement, the forgiveness of sins, the righteousness, liberty, and life which Jesus has merited for us by His death and resurrection. Personally, I believe we are saved with a great deal of error and ignorance.
The early fathers did not preach "eternal security". The one group of people who are raised on the last day are those who have been given by the Father to the Son (v. 37), who have believed on the Son (v. 40), who have eternal life (v. 40), and cannot be lost.
Having said that, I am not aware of convincing arguments that can refute my understanding of John 6:37-40, John 10:27-28, and 1 John 2:19. This is just Part 1.
I will deal with three sets of scriptures: John 6:37-40; John 10:27-28; 1 John 2:19.
This might seem a possible interpretation; but when we look at the next verse, we see it doesn't work. And just to be clear, when I say, “Early Church Fathers” (ECF’s) I am referring to the Ante-Nicene Fathers. In this last hour we need this historical information. In 2:7-11 is where John writes about a new commandment--about loving your brother and walking in the light rather than darkness. It differentiates between those who are true and false and states that the false will leave and the true will stay.
There will be more articles along this same line, to come. 40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." And, as we all know, if one letter of the acronym T.U.L.I.P. As you can see from the dates attached to each quote, they all wrote prior to 325 A.D. Now, I’m not, by any means, saying that their writings are equal to Scripture or that everything they write is automatically correct. In other words, are we saved when we believe or not?
If any exist, I'm always open to examining them and be corrected since I desire to represent God's Word properly. But, John is not telling us that if the antichrists had been of them, they would have stayed with him. There is no statement such as, "they shall never perish if they remain faithful." When a Calvinist says such a thing, it makes me laugh (at least on the inside). To me, this declares clearly that those who really are of God will remain; and those who are not will leave. In Eph. John declares that if these people had been "of us, they would have remained." Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by joevberry3, Feb 28, 2004. In 2:12-14 he tells us that our sins are forgiven and that we have overcome the evil one. It reads, "Post a summary of the videos you post .
Therefore, the best we can do is be faithful to God according to the understanding we have, treat fellow Christians with love and grace, and seek not to mislead others either into a license to sin or inadvertently advocate keeping our salvation by being good. Each side sometimes misrepresents the other's position. If you have any issues, please call the office at 385-246-1048 or email us at info@carm.org. That makes no sense. They believed in Conditional Security, not Unconditional Security. Matt Slick is the President and Founder of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Otherwise, no one who believes in Christ can be sure he or she presently has eternal life--which is in contradiction to 1 John 5:13 which says we can know! ", “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. Part 1 (Conditional Security), Kerrigan Skelly's Blog – Evangelist & Pastor. Either way, such a statement couldn’t be further from the truth.
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