I appreciate that the customers care about how ethical owners are in their business practices. For example, you can walk into any gear shop or outfitter and find products (hammocks, sleeping bags, pouches, etc) that list “diamond ripstop nylon” right on the tag. See below for link: https://www.hammockforums.net/…/show…/150123-A-note-on-ROBIC, 2. It’s also worth noting that we stated this within a public post on Hammock Forums.net in October, before any lawsuit. Just because other people are doing it, doesn't make it right. Here is a statement from Kyle (the owner of RBTR) from the r/hammockcamping subreddit. That opinion can be different than mine or someone else’s and that is perfectly okay. On the same day that RBTR first gained knowledge of a potential Dutchwaregear lawsuit, via an email from Hyosung on October 17, 2018, RBTR removed ALL ROBIC-branded fabrics at issue from its website. Meanwhile... hammockforums.net is deleting posts & threatening anyone who posts anything about this. Share your knowledge and experience. It's a shame because if it doesn't help anyone. yeah I'm curious Kyle even comments himself. We simply include the term “ripstop” in the product title and description of our HyperD fabrics because--based on long-standing, accepted industry practice--it is ripstop. Don't get confused here though, the lawsuit isn't based on patent rights but is instead based upon trade practices. To be honest, everyone in a suit is going to tell their story in a way that makes them sound like the victim. Welcome to the wild online world of niche hobbies. We are 100% comfortable and confident with the facts, and with that said, we do not intend to be silent about our denial of the claims brought against us. We should all wait for the complete details to come out in court, and let the ruling come forward, before we start really taking sides. Too bad, Dutch makes really great gear.
Anyone hear anything on this. This kickstarter garnered almost $200,000 and launched Dutchwaregear into the business of making finished products that directly competed with other vendors, many of whom purchased fabrics from RBTR.
Updated 9/18/20.
I know the fabric was tested with 1200lbs loaded into it for 12 days straight, and did not fail. That being said will we be able to have a civil discussion of the lawsuit between Dutchware and Rip Stop By the Roll? Will it affect how much I spent at RBTR, less likely. For those that don't Facebook, this is from this morning via Kyle Baker on the Hammock Forums Facebook group: In my last post, I stated that I would follow-up with as much information as appropriate. We are proud to have developed the HyperD line of fabrics with consideration given to ALL these factors. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the hammockcamping community. They may not have been intentionally misleading people, but it doesn't sound like they were totally transparent with the public about what was going on either.
As I’ve said many times over, we have absolutely nothing to hide in this ordeal. On the same day that RBTR first gained knowledge of a potential Dutchwaregear lawsuit, via an email from Hyosung on October 17, 2018, RBTR removed ALL ROBIC-branded fabrics at issue from its website.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hammockcamping/comments/b8zb7y/ripstop_by_the_roll_response_to_current_matters/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share. I've also purchased two hammocks from Dutchware and a lot of suspension straps, cordage and bling from him. I am glad that Kyle has issued statements stating the RBTR point of view. I hope that this post has shed further light on these issues in an objective manner for all those reading, as that was my intention. I believe this fabric is plenty strong for its intended application. I have no allegiance to either side, but everything we as the public know is speculation and anything we hear about it is just from one side. This subreddit values interesting discussion, not "quick pic" posts. Even if he did have some kind of business interest in Hyosung's branding, he didn't even make an attempt to resolve this outside of court.
So I am invested in both. This includes written, text, phone, and/or email communication. Ultimately it doesn't matter until the lawsuit is over, that facts are out and a determination is made. As I’ve said many times over, we have absolutely nothing to hide in this ordeal. I will omit a specific list here so as not to involve other vendors/brands, but I encourage you to explore this on your own. That said, is Dutch being a dick? We are proud to have developed the HyperD line of fabrics with consideration given to ALL these factors. I am curious now that 6 months have passed what gives in the case? As I’ve said multiple times to Dutch himself, I respect his business and the innovations he has brought to the hammock community in general. In the absence of direct communication with any third-party (i.e. It's important to note that the name ROBIC is not a fabric or material in and of itself, but rather a brand name created by Hyosung for one of their high-end nylon 6 yarns. Same. On the same day that RBTR first gained knowledge of a potential Dutchwaregear lawsuit, via an email from Hyosung on October 17, 2018, RBTR removed ALL ROBIC-branded fabrics at issue from its website. This includes written, text, phone, and/or email communication. International orders: USPS international shipments are delayed beyond normal shipping times.
6. The loops 2,000lbs.
You're not off base, but you are on Reddit. I did not and still do not want this fight. And to be respectful of each other. I don't have a dog in this fight, but last year I purchased a Dream Sparrow with Robic XL. Join us and ask yourself the question: Do I really need that? 612 E Walnut St. Lancaster, PA 17602-2433. The hammock community is pretty tight, and I would bet his brand will be far more damaged by this crap than any business he may have lost to RBTB. In addition to industry norms for labeling both fabric and finished products, Dutchwaregear itself has admitted to selling “diamond ripstop nylon” along with listing its HEXON brand of fabric as “6-way ripstop nylon” during its Chameleon kickstarter and for some time thereafter as well. If you want your package to arrive quickly, we recommend upgrading to FedEx or DHL services.
Guess I won't be buying from Dutch anymore. DutchWare raised a total of $200,000, he adds, but the real benefit was the attention it stirred. After observing the comments made throughout the past 72 hours, I feel what’s needed now is a factual summary of the circumstances and events giving rise to this and my prior post. The same holds for finished products in the outdoor market (and other markets) using diamond grid nylon/polyester. Misc. The straps themselves can support 5,000lbs. I did not and still do not want this fight. I'm willing to wait to pass judgement until there is more evidence to verify what has transpired. Immediately after learning of the fabric mill’s mislabeling, RBTR took steps, together with Hyosung, to address the issue.
In light of #1, we vehemently deny any statements to the effect that RBTR “intentionally misled” or that our actions were “willful and deliberate.”. I find myself in an odd position in my thoughts about this.
By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. I invite everyone to try this for yourself the next time you’re out shopping btw. Give a gear or trail review. I’m attaching a link with one example here, along with a screenshot of the page in the comments below. We have written emails to directly support this fact. Curious, what else has Dutch done to harm his company image? The same holds for finished products in the outdoor market (and other markets) using diamond grid nylon/polyester. We are 100% comfortable and confident with the facts, and with that said, we do not intend to be silent about our denial of the claims brought against us. After reading this, you will likely have an opinion. he didn't even make an attempt to resolve this outside of court. As far as I'm concerned, I received exactly what was sold to me. Haven't heard a thing about this at all so far. I’m starting to feel like rsbtr is going to have some repercussions. Regarding the ROBIC portion of this lawsuit, I think you should all be aware of the following: RBTR had no specific knowledge it was selling ROBIC branded fabrics containing yarn not approved for ROBIC branding until after learning from Hyosung—the ROBIC manufacturer and the trademark-holder at issue—the fabric mill RBTR was purchasing from did not use ROBIC yarn. I missed this - how do you know he didn't attempt to resolve this out of court? Dutch will be able to prove damages based on comments like this.
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