Everybody was very good about calling him all the time.
His dad maintained his position, and the doctors maintained their position. Those loyalties stayed with him right through the end of his parents’ lives. I promise you, there were a lot of fun times. He told him exactly what had happened, the condition he was in, and said, “You’d better get out here as soon as you can because they’re talking about my back. And you might think you were going to get a real blast, and maybe you got a real blast. I wasn’t much ballast in those days. The youngest did get to do that—lay them out to dry and all that. And really, it was at least 25 years that either his mother or his father was an invalid in the house. And they got another boat called And One More, and that was Ted. We’d get one of those calls. He called as soon as—I’ll say the following morning.
I’m not trying to pry in terms of your age, but were you close to—. Especially “no.” When something wasn’t right, he was very clear.
He missed that support network you’ve talked about? Did Joan [Bennett Kennedy] campaign for him that year as a result of his—? I think that kind of support sustained him too, because God knows he’s had more than his share.
That was missing. Well, three.
Also known as Ann Gargan King, Kingann Ann Gargan, Ann C Garganking, King A Gargan Includes Address (5) Phone (2) Their faith and their home. Ted was in the car with his mom and dad, and he and my brother got out and shoveled the streets. And he was great, too, all the years his mother was sick.
In many ways. And to have it happen again. And frankly, they were delighted I wasn’t there, which I understood as I got a little older myself. And he’d have the children there. I know that’s a lot to ask, but maybe some childhood memories might be the best place to start. By the time we came back from riding, they were all over at the big house. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. Any time the other two would come home, they’d immediately head for a boat. As I said, he was amusing about the tilt and the guy trying to measure the pants and that kind of thing, but that isn’t what he lives with day to day. I’d be a big help now. So I would think that was really in his life. As a tribute to Senator Kennedy's 47-year career, gifts of $47 and up recognize you as a Friend of the Institute. And there were a couple of times Ted would get in trouble up at Bobby’s [Robert F. Kennedy] house at a party or something, and up at the pool. He was out shoveling snow when they had that snowstorm at Jack’s Inauguration. Yes, because you see, they were very young when the family was in England.
He’d always be available, and when he came, he just livened up the whole place for either his father or his mother—and especially his dad. Of course, what’s more familiar to me—even though it’s 40 years ago—are the years I was with his mom and dad. That was those growing-up years that everybody was into. I think by then they had called it. But it’s like any family: different age groups do different things. [laughter] So I did.
But I was a very good sail carrier and sail dryer.
I mean, you’re alone, but he had a lot of support, and he knew it. All three of the boys. I can’t mention anybody who hasn’t had a bout with cancer. And now to have both Kara [Kennedy Allen] and Ted—Where did the cancers come from? We flew out. But Ted would talk to him, and he was walking a little bit, and naturally then he was walking a lot.
Fairly well. Yes. It was very important to him to go back even to our grandfather, John Fitzgerald, who was mayor of Boston. For example, he was very strong on making sure that the Secret Service men who had been with John stayed with him so he’d have a continual male presence in his world and be aware of what his father had done. But Ted hung in there with his dad, much to their chagrin. That is, a piece in the shoe— He would emphasize the limp and really tilt, and he’d keep saying to him, “God, Dad! That’s why I’m saying I’d almost rather come if you’re going to talk to Mary Jo, because it’s easier to remember particular things that happened because it was a group—of which, rightfully so, I was the tail end. Okay. But as I’m sure you know, when there’s a group, some are younger and some are older, and there are different activities at different times.
I think it’s where he’s the most relaxed and has sort of a private little world.
I can’t remember the exact hours, but I think when we came in—yes, because by then the Secret Service had taken over. The man pushing the wheelchair, Frank Saunders, was Rose's chauffeur. He was also a proud grandfather to Joey and John Gargan. But over the years, as I said, we spent a lot of time there. Well, as I said, everything changes. That was about the extent of my sailing ability, which was fine. Some people have told us that he’s probably closest to Jean [Kennedy Smith] among his sisters because they grew up fairly close together. And still, he’d always try to bolster his parents, and he’d always come home and ride in the car to the dentist with his dad, or take him out on the boat, or whatever. I’m sure those doctors thought they had the whole thing solved.
Yes, what was going on. Now I’m old enough to know that I was a bit of a nuisance. That was the center of the universe, so there was nothing else in the world to do except be a part of that. Now that he has the Mya and all that, it’s a little different. He was able to communicate his reactions? It was important to both of them that that happened. I don’t mean to be facetious, but there just seemed to be so many.
Could you tell us a little bit about that? Edward M. Kennedy Oral History (2/27/2006), Edward M. Kennedy Oral History (8/7/2007), Tuesdaythrough–Sunday
He always got the singing groups going.
About 10 years.
Basically, we’d like you to tell us about your recollections of Senator Edward Kennedy. And that wasn’t there either. I thought maybe you had formed a special bond as a result of the fact that you both shared that status.
And I’m just saying that off the top of my head, jump out of the frying pan into the fire. But it’s like any family: different age groups do different things. Not for a minute. Well, as I said, everything changes. Well, for years, especially after the President’s death, Bobby would be like the Pied Piper.
As I said, he always got the songs going. Knott. Yes.
Well, I can’t remember last week.
The more I listen to myself, the worse it sounds. The emotional has been written up in every newspaper in the world. Ted would say, “Did Dad hear?” And I’d say, “Yes, he did, and he’s right here.”. What do you think sustains him? Right. And of course, half the time—not half, a couple of times—it would be for me instead of for him. It was a lovely picture. It wasn’t what we ourselves were capable of. Basically, we’d like you to tell us about your recollections of Senator Edward Kennedy. I’m sure Dick, when he was here, was telling about the Harvard games and the tailgating and all that. At the time, you think that’s the most important part, and so you do that.
I have to go back over all those years.
It doesn’t always get answered the way we want it to, but I think she prayed for the strength to go through it.
Columbia Point 210 Morrissey Blvd. So as I say, I’ll talk to Mary Jo, and I’ll think more about some of these things.
But the brace and the physical pain at times, as you said, most people don’t understand. Of course, what’s more familiar to me—even though it’s 40 years ago—are the years I was with his mom and dad. No! At that time, he was in that Stryker frame, a god-awful thing. Exactly! So thank God he can go out on the boat.
It was her solace, but it was her strength.
But in ’59 and ’60, that was the whole world of that family, really. And of course, Aunt Rose was—everybody was giving speeches everyplace!
I think that’s what everybody wants, and he had it, and he knew he had it, which is another thing. Ted stayed with that opinion also. I’m sure there were times to which I’m not privy when it was difficult. Yes. I wasn’t much ballast in those days. I don’t think he ever expressed this.
And true, there probably are times he has carried too much weight—which we all go through—and that doesn’t help one’s back problems, either. He’s February; I’m August—so approximately, but just that much younger that I didn’t go to the 12-and-over dances. You know Washington in a snowstorm.
A lot of people perhaps wouldn’t have handled the setbacks as well as he has in his life. Whatever you did, you could come home and have great support. He came back to tell both of them, and then take his mother back to Washington after Jack’s death.
He said, “Let me talk to Dad.” And he did. Again, thank you for doing this. I think Ted might have gone home, but by then, I think he was already back at Bob’s, because as you know, the returns were still coming in that morning.
It makes me sad to think of all the struggles. Really, in one sense, I’d just as soon come when you’re going to talk to Mary Jo, because she has more—And I’d do better if somebody says, “Do you remember?” or “We did this,” or if she would mention sailing, because we did go on the boat. Do you think it might have been too much for her? She’s been fantastic. My aunt would let them go to dances and do things you don’t let the little one do. But she didn’t come out with us when we first went out to see Ted after the plane crash. But I’m not sure how funny it actually was for Ted!
And he tried to pass that on to the children of the next generation. He was close with Bobby, but he did a lot more things with my brother, Joe.
He tried to keep that spirit that all of them could share. Those things just happened. By the time we came back from riding, they were all over at the big house. There was so much interplay before, and everybody had so much to say about everything. Miss Gargan cared for the Ambassador until his death. I do. But it was very different when you were climbing over—They still weren’t using the Victura, but I meant there’s a little difference in sailing. In different ways, and probably not as strongly in their beliefs, but I think it’s a personal thing anyway.
But that year, he wasn’t quite as involved. The whole city shuts down, or they can’t plow the streets anyway. What’s been happening in your life? How often would you say that Senator Kennedy would talk to his father? Okay. Yes. But then they had two smaller boats called Wianno Juniors. Well, frankly, just being himself. How long have you lived in this area? Is there something that you might think of that—? I still see his daughter. They should all get a medical degree, the different physical problems that have befallen just that little unit of people, if you think about it! But I’m not sure how funny it actually was for Ted! Now, of course, Pat [Patricia Kennedy Lawford] does, but why would young Teddy at that age suddenly lose a leg? Do you think he’s most comfortable when he’s at Hyannis Port? He always made his dad a very important part of what was going on. Then, of course, he came back to a hospital here in Boston, and his dad was up there the first day they stood him up. That was a lot of laughs, things like that. And a hundred years ago, when you got those calls from the States, you got a time it was coming through and all that kind of jazz. And when he started walking, he was uneven. It makes me sad to think of all the struggles.
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